FIN DE LOS
CONFLICTOS MINEROS

Hernando de Soto impulsa una solución para terminar con los conflictos mineros globales, capitalizando a los emergentes del mundo sin descapitalizar a las empresas.

En en el curso de los últimos cincuenta años el Estado le ha dado a los peruanos emergentes la propiedad de la superficie del Perú y se ha quedado con la propiedad del subsuelo.

A las empresas extractivas, el Estado, les ha dado la propiedad de los minerales en el subsuelo pero además el derecho de utilizarlos para financiarse, trabajar en gran escala, formar capital y prosperar.

De esa desigualdad surgen los conflictos mineros del país.

Aquí sigue la propuesta, su fundamentación, y la opinión de los de abajo, Roque Benavides, y los de arriba, Celso Cajachagua, para capitalizar a los peruanos emergentes sin descapitalizar a las empresas.

Aquí sigue la propuesta, su fundamentación, y la opinión de los de abajo, Roque Benavides, y los de arriba, Celso Cajachagua,  para capitalizar a los peruanos emergentes sin descapitalizar a las empresas.

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Una instantánea de los conflictos mineros

Los dueños de la superficie de la tierra peruana -en centenares de lugares como Conga, Tía María y Las Bambas- están bloqueando la extracción de minerales, incluyendo petróleo y gas, por un valor que asciende a casi US$1 trillón, es decir, cuatro veces el PBI anual del país.

La causa fundamental de estos bloqueos es que los dueños de la superficie se indignan y se rebelan una vez que los dueños del mineral en el subsuelo han comenzado sus operaciones y su poder y prosperidad se evidencia in situ -instalaciones, camiones, maquinaria, campamentos. Tanta desigualdad entre vecinos verticales en un mismo pedazo físico de tierra es chocante.

Así, lo que parecía potencialmente una convivencia entre empresarios emergentes – agrícolas y mineros- y empresas extractivas, se convierte en una lucha de clases. Los líderes comunales se transforman en jefes sindicales y los capataces de las minas, en la oligarquía explotadora. Y comienza el reclamo sin fin de beneficios físicos y corruptelas.

Esto se debe a que somos víctimas de un paradigma que sobrevive desde hace miles de años mediante el cual solamente vemos la tierra en su dimensión física. Es una pena, porque la fuente de la desigualdad no tiene orígenes en la tierra física sino en su expresión metafísica, es decir, los títulos que nos dan derechos sobre ésta. En ese sentido los títulos de los empresarios emergentes del Perú, los que llamamos informales, se diferencian de los títulos que dan derecho a los minerales porque les falta 16 paquetes de acreditaciones (entitlements) tales como: credenciales confiables para operar, especializarse, escalar y aumentar su productividad en mercados expandidos; títulos valores (securities) para formar capital; garantías a cambio de crédito; acciones a cambio de  articipación empresarial.

Ver la tierra solo en su dimensión física -lo que se puede fotografiar- no ayuda a encontrar soluciones porque reduce las opciones de lo que se puede hacer con la tierra a escoger entre alternativas excluyentes y no realistas: “mina o agro” o “bosques o petróleo” o como ofrecen algunas organizaciones terroristas “tierra o muerte”.

Además, solo diagnosticar en base a lo que se puede fotografiar en el lugar de los hechos — la carretera, el ruido, la contaminación o las manifestaciones de violencia en una pequeña comunidad — nos lleva a pensar que estamos enfrentados a un problema local, con una población reducida, que se resolverá con la presencia y acción directa del Estado soberano. Esto no es así.

Las realidades de los conflictos mineros que una instantánea no puede capturar

El fenómeno no es una ola peruana, es un tsunami internacional: En todos los países en desarrollo que tienen recursos minerales los dueños de la superficie de la tierra están bloqueando la extracción y exportación de $150 trillones en minerales, petróleo y gas – cinco veces el tamaño del PBI de EE. UU. y China combinados. Es útil saberlo para no perderse solo en búsquedas culturales y localistas.

El fenómeno no es una revolución contra la minería: hay dos veces más mineros informales que trabajan artesanalmente en la superficie que mineros formales trabajando industrialmente el subsuelo.

El fenómeno no puede ser resuelto solo con enviar más tropas al lugar de los hechos: El gobierno anterior envió 3,500 tropas a Conga, 5,000 a Tía María, 5,000 a Puno y 1,500 a Madre de Dios que al igual que los millones de tropas asignadas a proteger campamentos mineros, pozos petroleros y gasoductos en todo el resto del tercer mundo no logran disolver los bloqueos.

Para que el Estado peruano pueda ejercer el principio de autoridad requiere compatibilizar las acciones de sus equipos que siguen las políticas contrapuestas.

Tenemos, por un lado, el Consenso de Washington”, que suscribió con la mano de derecha, y de otro lado, el “Consenso de Ginebra”, que firmó con la mano izquierda. Las primeras se dirigen a abrir mercados buscando prosperidad y las otras a bloquearlos buscando justicia.

Paso a explicar.

  • El “Consenso de Washington” es una construcción social que de conformidad con el régimen legal que protege las inversiones en el mundo –producto de 3,300 tratados internacionales aprobados e incorporados a las legislaciones nacionales por los poderes legislativos de 180 naciones, incluyendo el del Perú– tiene como objetivo conectar al país con la globalización económica.
  • El “Consenso de Ginebra”, tal y como lo hemos denominado, está constituido por 11 convenciones internacionales (1) y cientos de tratados bilaterales -también aprobados por el Perú- cuyo objetivo es luchar contra las “injusticias de la globalización”, las “desigualdades de la pobreza” y la “degradación del medio ambiente.” Estos – a través de vueltas y recovecos de las interpretaciones legislativas, judiciales y administrativas – han ido otorgando a las organizaciones informales peruanas (a las que el gobierno etiqueta alternativamente como ilegales o criminales) 1,400 mecanismos legales que los empoderan para autorizar o bloquear la extracción de minerales.

Para resolver las diferencias entre los dueños de la superficie y los dueños de los minerales del subsuelo es crucial saber que el derecho que gobierna los títulos de propiedad de los primeros es completamente distinto del que gobierna los títulos del segundo. Una buena parte de los títulos de la superficie comienzan a ser otorgados después de la segunda guerra mundial cuando la administración de los gobiernos del tercer mundo — rebasada por procesos de descolonización masiva, guerras limítrofes, migración transfronteriza, reformas agrarias mal concebidas– optaron por delegar la tarea de asignar y registrar títulos a una compleja diversidad de organizaciones y comunidades locales dispersas, oficialmente reconocidas pero que hoy se encuentran desconectadas de la economía global donde los títulos pueden ser combinados, palanqueados para generar plusvalía y capital. A estos, por responder a contratos sociales locales y estar desconectados, los llamamos “títulos informales”.

Esto contrasta con aquellos que los mismos gobiernos -necesitados por inversiones, impuestos y regalías- vendieron derechos de propiedad exclusiva sobre los minerales, petróleo y gas contenidos en el subsuelo a empresas extractivas, otorgándoles títulos conectados con la economía global donde estos pueden ser combinados y palanqueados globalmente. A estos les llamamos “títulos formales”.

Sobre esta disparidad entre los derechos de la superficie y los del subsuelo reposa la principal fuente de los llamados conflictos mineros. ¿Qué se puede hacer para armonizarlos?

Para comenzar, hay que saber dónde se originó el concepto de un derecho distinto para la superficie y otro para el subsuelo y si continúa siendo vigente lo que yo llamo el “paradigma de la separación física”.

Hace más de 2,200 años los romanos establecieron que, como los títulos sobre los recursos minerales en el subsuelo le daban a sus dueños más riqueza y poder que los activos de la superficie, el Estado soberano debía ejercer un dominio especial sobre el subsuelo, declarar que los minerales que este contiene son de “de interés público” y por ello los títulos que otorgaba para que privados sean dueños de los minerales siempre debían primar sobre los títulos superficiales“ que obedecían a “intereses egoístas”.

Esto generó el surgimiento de lo que yo denomino “el paradigma de la separación física” -una premisa que nos induce a organizar la manera como pensamos sobre cómo regular derechos sobre la tierra principalmente enfocándonos solo en su dimensión física. Esto lo cual nos lleva a dividir nuestros conocimientos, nuestras normas y nuestros archivos al respecto en dos de sus categorías más saltantes: el suelo y el subsuelo.

De ahí que actualmente una empresa extractiva –sea que opere en un país desarrollado o subdesarrollado– encontrará que sus derechos de adueñarse de minerales están descritos en documentos normativos y contractuales sólo referidos al subsuelo (en los Estados Unidos los llaman “títulos sobre derechos minerales”), mientras que sus derechos para asentar su personal e instalar sus equipos sobre la tierra para de ahí, extraer y procesar sus minerales, y luego transportarlos hacia su destino final, están descritos en documentos referidos a la superficie (denominados “títulos de propiedad”).

Inclusive en los Estados Unidos –donde la ley permite que una persona que tiene un título sobre la superficie este incluye el derecho sobre los recursos del subsuelo– el paradigma de la división física perdura. La razón es que cuando esa persona vende la tierra bajo su casa a una empresa extractiva, esta tiene por ley que otorgarle a esa empresa un título “sobre derechos minerales” que comprende el derecho de asentarse, explorar, perforar, extraer, procesar y transportar minerales. En otras palabras, los dueños de los títulos minerales siempre priman sobre los dueños de la superficie porque son de interés público.

Entonces, ¿por qué los titulares de la superficie en países desarrollados como EE. UU. no se movilizan masivamente para protestar por los privilegios que gozan las empresas extractivas? Porque los títulos superficiales en los EE. UU., además de contener documentos que se refieren a los vínculos de los propietarios con sus tierras físicas -tales como la identidad de los dueños y la ubicación descriptiva y gráfica de sus tierras- también contienen documentos que resaltan los vínculos entre los propietarios mismos, lo que permite a terceras partes comprobar que sus reglas del juego y acuerdos son serios, estables y confiables.

Estos últimos documentos son los que proporcionan la información que genera la confianza necesaria para confeccionar acreditaciones (entitlements) que permitan que un título sobre la tierra cumpla otras funciones, además de la tenencia física de la tierra. Acreditaciones tales como: títulos valores (securities) que se ofrecen públicamente para captar inversiones, acciones a cambio de participación empresarial, garantías a cambio de créditos y credenciales que permiten a los dueños operar en mercados expandidos, especializar y escalar su producción y así aumentar su productividad.

En otras palabras, los títulos superficiales de los países desarrollados no son sólo certificados de la posesión de alguien sobre la tierra sino los eslabones iniciales de una cadena de valor que puede llegar muy lejos. Lo cual hace que para sus dueños en los países desarrollados no es necesariamente una mala noticia cuando se descubre minerales en su subsuelo porque sus títulos superficiales adquieren mucho más valor. Y si deciden vender la parte de su tierra que necesitan las empresas mineras, siempre se quedan con la parte del título que genera confianza y produce valor ex nihilo.

 

¿Que falta para que los dueños informales de la superficie tengan los mismos derechos metafísicos que tienen sus similares en los países desarrollados y, por supuesto, los que tienen las empresas mineras con relación a los minerales en el subsuelo?

Solución: Darles a los títulos de propiedad superficiales los 16 paquetes de acreditaciones (entitlements) que les permitan ser confiables fuera de sus propias localidades y así resguardar los intereses de potenciales compradores, socios y financistas.

Básicamente, lo común a todos los títulos de propiedad superficial es que están basados en 14 tipos de identificación física. Lo que les falta a los títulos de los informales son 16 tipos de acreditaciones (entitlements) que permitan que ellos cumplan con los requerimientos de las leyes del mercado financiero y así puedan ser ofrecidas para formar capital, monetizarlos e invertir para cosechar en un valle, recolectar en un bosque bio-diversificado o extraer artesanalmente los minerales de las rocas superficiales.

Para eso no se necesita cambiar ninguna ley en el Perú: todos los tratados firmados por el gobierno y las leyes del Perú estipulan que todos los peruanos tenemos derecho a capitalizar nuestros activos y beneficiarnos de los tratados internacionales de inversión y de libre comercio. Lo que pasa es que tanto los que se ocupan de la propiedad de los informales y los cinco niveles de especialistas –que, a pesar de no conocerse entre si, en su conjunto saben convertir un buen título superficial en un instrumento que forma capital— no están enterados que forman parte de una sola cadena de valor que “pone de cabeza” (como lo dijo Karl Marx) algo material como la tierra y la convierte en algo que trasciende su valor físico.

Ahora, gracias a la tecnología moderna, no hay razón que impida que esos 16 tipos de acreditaciones (entitlements) sean confeccionados y engrapados –como si fueran visas en un pasaporte– a los títulos de los emergentes del Perú. Esto se logra mediante un sistema de gestión que represente los distintos documentos en una plataforma digital de registro distribuido que vincule los derechos superficiales y derechos del subsuelo utilizando contratos inteligentes (smart contracts) y herramientas tecnológicas de comunicación tales como Facebook y Google, con los cuales las organizaciones informales están muy familiarizadas.

Así, poco a poco se irán evaporando las motivaciones y los pretextos que provocan los bloqueos no solamente a las minas, los pozos petroleros, los gasoductos sino también a los proyectos de infraestructura y la reconstrucción del país. De esta manera los propietarios de la superficie de la tierra y del subsuelo se enfrentarán a la globalización en igualdad de condiciones sin necesidad de abandonar sus culturas, forma de vida y sin importar de que orilla ideológica provienen.

 

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“Informalidad es falta de inclusión en el mercado”.

“Les Daría Acceso al Capital”

Roque Benavides de CONFIEP y Buenaventura le hinca el diente a la propuesta.

Creo que puedo decir que tengo una amistad con Hernando de Soto y es una de las mentes más brillantes en el mundo de la Economía. Entiendo la orientación a la economía de mercado que le da a los problemas que se puedan presentar.

No cabe la menor duda que El Misterio del Capital es un libro fundamental. En ese sentido, tiene planteamientos inteligentes sobre el cómo incluir en la economía de mercado a las comunidades altoandinas de nuestra patria. Eso les daría acceso al capital.

Uno de los problemas de fondo de Las Bambas es cómo hacemos para integrar a las comunidades a la economía de mercado. Que realmente entiendan lo que significa los derechos y sus oportunidades dentro de lo que es su propiedad.

De Soto está haciendo planteamientos para que esas comunidades tengan acceso al capital y que puedan sentirse retribuidos por sus tierras en el desarrollo de actividades como la minería. Y, ojo, no se trata solamente de innovar en los mecanismos de mercado. El Estado no puede ponerse de perfil. Creo que aparte del problema además de la informalidad que ataca en parte las propuestas de De Soto, está el centralismo que sufrimos en el país. Los grandes problemas del Perú son la corrupción, la informalidad, el centralismo y, recientemente, el populismo. En todos esos aspectos el Estado tiene que estar presente. No hay forma.

No es culpa de la empresa privada que llega a operar en esas zonas que haya comunidades tan abandonadas. No es producto de las empresas que llegan a operar en la zona, sino de que Dios es peruano pero sus oficinas están en Lima. La informalidad no es otra cosa que la falta de inclusión en la economía de mercado y ahí también tiene responsabilidad el Estado. Es lo que nos une a todos los peruanos y tiene que tener presencia en todas estas zonas”

 

celso

Veta Informal

CELSO Cajachagua, presidente de la Federación Nacional de Pequeños Productores mineros y mineros Artesanales del Perú (FENAMARPE):

“Hace tiempo que nos identificamos con las propuestas de Hernando de Soto. Los problemas de los comuneros asentados sobre yacimientos son similares a los nuestros en el sentido que nuestras propiedades están amparadas por títulos llamados informales, esos que son legítimos pero que no nos permiten defendernos de los abusos de los poderosos, ni acceder al capital.. El problema del Perú no somos nosotros, la mayoría de ciudadanos con pocos recursos que hacemos empresa.

Queremos ser formales pero cómo hacerlo si el acceso a la formalidad está blindada por una pared de trámites costosos, expedientes frondosos y coimas frecuentes. Es difícil entusiasmarse con una formalidad que no se ajusta a nuestras necesidades y donde impera la corrupción como lo demuestran todos los días las fiscalías del Perú”.

 

Encuentros con mineros informales
Encuentro de Hernando de Soto con mineros emergentes

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  6. Mucha teoría la solución es simple, dar al peruano la propiedad hasta el subsuelo. Cuál es el temor?.
    Y que ellos decidan.

  7. Bien en lo que respecta a titulación.
    Primer problema los terrenos de las comunidades son producto de la Reforma Agraria los cuales no han sido pagado 90% están con los famosos bonos de deuda agraria.
    Segundo. La casi totalidad de comunidades están parceladas solo con acta ante Notario
    Tercero. El 70 % de comuneros producto de reparto de tierras del los años 90 están en la ciudad y sus terrenos abandonados o alquilados
    Cuarto. Las parcelas de 10 has hasta 40 has en la sierra no alcanza para vivir y para nadie es atractivo invertir.

  8. Miren todavía el sr. Hernán de Soto, tiene que salir de su urna, porque sabe tanto de Minería y Tierras, como se yo lo que hay en Marte, que con su elocuencia y su ” sabiduría” se valla a Marte y le expliqué a los Pobladores ese tema la tierra de ” arriba” para ti y la de abajo lo mejor para la ” propiedad privada” . Con ese cuento a otra América del Siglo X V ya.

  9. No leo algo sobre la contaminación de los ríos y del medio ambiente. Eso como lo solucionan con el tema de la propiedad?

  10. Bueno, equidad, igualdad, justicia, etc deberían ser los pilares de democracia, pero la corrupción, la informalidad, etc han ganado a los primeros y el estado mediante los gobiernos de turno no ha hecho por acortar esta desigualdad.

  11. Solución el propietario del suelo es propietario del subsuelo.

  12. Soto,me da risa ese fulano le llenaron el bolsillo con muchos verdes,ah es mala leche

  13. Bueno, así como se presenta esta idea, solo se busca, sustentar de manera sesgada, una política gaseosa y abstracta de prioridad a favor de las transnacionales, dejando de lado los intereses estratégicos de desarrollo de una nación y los principios y valores que la sustentan. Los bienes naturales de una nación,, constituyen sus recursos genuinos, desde donde desarrolla y alcanza su esplendor social ybienestar general. Estas infames ideas solo persigue, de manera sistemática, contraviniendo los contratos sociales, economicos, culturales y la voluntad de mantener los parámetros de equilibrio del planeta, afectando desde ese punto a la humanidad. La suma de esos daños es letal para la vida y nuestro planeta. Esta idea de este señor Soto solo esmercenaria y puntual sin continuidad en beneficio de la humanidad. Mucho más que sustentar aún dentro del derecho positivo. Esto solo arrasa con engaños y sesgos a favor delas estructuró y control de algo tan delicado para la naturaleza de nuestro planeta. Hayucho masque alegar sin desmerecer una actividad minera con control integral más allá de la propiedad privada. Y pública. Que las naciones del planeta tienen que implementar de inmediato.

  14. Hace 11 años, les propuse a una empresa en Ancash que tenía continuo conflicto con una comunidad y la solución pasaba en hacer socio a la comunidad y/o comuneros posesionarios de la superficie. Una forma de crear riqueza sostenible y las comunidades se involucraban en el proceso ¿Resultado? La empresa me dio una patada en el trasero… Hoy esa propuesta sigue siendo el camino

  15. El sistema no puede combatir la corrupción, porque la corrupcion es el sistema . Si tomamos esto muy en serio ; tenemos que cambiar la Constitución ENTREGUISTA para que cambien el sistema. Todo esta hecho para que el pobre sea más pobre y el rico más rico , porque la constitución lo ampara.

  16. Todo se soluciona haciendolos socios o parte de la empresa para que participen en la extracción, producción.y cuidado del medio ambiente
    Además son pocos los que viven en su comunidad la mayoría viven en Lima

  17. La riqueza del suelo es para el propietario y toda su region (canon), las ganancias del subsuelo tienen que compartirlo la Empresa y los demas Peruanos que no obtuvieron nada; los porcentajes deben ser 60% para la empresa y 40% para el Pais (gobierno y Ciudadanos), salvo mejor parecer.

  18. La ZEE y el POT son una solucion. Pero debe ser hecha con la participalicion efectiva de los pueblos que las ocupan, guiados por profesionales multidisciplinarios.
    Donde sea conveniente cultivar, se debe cultivar, donde sea necesario preservar la naturaleza, se debe preservar, donde tenga que rehubicarse las poblaciones, se debe rehubicar; donde se deba extraer los minerales, gas, petroleo y otros, se debe extraer, pero cumpliendo con los estándares ambientales. Debemos entender y/ hacer entender que es vital vivir en un sistema equilibrado y sano.

  19. Para mi la solucion es mas pragmatica, las comunidades deben de parrticipar en el accionariado como accionistas comunitarios del proyecto minero y gozar de los beneficios como utilidades, logicamente que el proyecto minero tambien debe de invertir en el bienestar social de las comunidades, agua potable, luz,educacion, carreteras etc

  20. Dicen que los comuneros viven en ciudades fuera de sus tierras y ¿dónde viven los que explotan las riquezas del subsuelo?, los peruanos comuneros tienen que aspirar a alcanzar los títulos de la formalidad y poder negociar con el capital, desarrollar estrategias para incorporar como socios a las comunidades y establecer que la materia prima se le dé valor agregado (tecnología del conocimiento) y con ello incorporar a la actividad económica minera a más peruanos, solo se exporta materia prima.

  21. Razón completa para Hernando de Soto, la economía social de mercado principio económico de la actual constitución y la decisión de la administración de Fujimori en crear LAS CONCESIONES es el gran impedimento para que se aplique lo sugerido por este gran economista sería aplicar el derecho de igualdad de los derechos informales, como llama Hernando.

  22. El problema se resuelve sin tanta palabreria con hacer socios a las comunidades o los pobladores de las comunidades, eso sí respetando el cuidado del medio ambiente y proponiendo medidas a los campesinos que prefieren seguir con sus actividades en la agricultura como por ejemplo asignarles propiedades en los proyectos de irrigacion en la costa que se encuentran en ejecución y asunto arreglado.

  23. El asesor principal de fujimori, en economia, ahora dando catedra de como solucionar las barnariades que provocaron sus asesorias. Es buen economista ycomo buen economista cobro por asesorar y ahora querra seguir haciendo lo mismo.

  24. Ya que nadie lo ha comentado y ya lo he escuchado mencionatrlo también en alguna entrevista, una aclaración. El Sr. Soto está usando el término trillón para referirse a billón, producto de una mala traducción en la que alguien de su prestigio y especialmente en su especialidad no debería incurrir.
    Un trillion en inglés equivale a un billón en castellano. La semejanza en la escritura puede confundir términos que son muy distintos(por varios ceros) en valor.

  25. De acuerdo con los que propugnan a convertir a los dueños de la superficie en socios accionistas o a sus comunidsdes. En este aspecto, los comuneros sentiran ser parte de la empresa lo cual significara ppner sus esfuerzos en el mejor desarrollo de esta.

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  27. Soy propietario de un ecoalbergue en Oxapampa. Ubicado en la Selva Central de Perú. A 2000 msnm.
    El subsuelo de mi terreno debe tener minerales pues fue explotado por contener plata hace más de 100 años. Y la conseción del mismo es de un tercero. Tengo título de propiedad (Título formal) de la superficie pero no estoy dispuesto a vender por la sencilla razón de que el valor de mi propiedad no se expresa en el mercado monetario sino en una dimensión “metafísica” donde la moneda no tiene valor de cambio.
    Igualmente la laguna en Conga que se pretende usar como depósito de residuos tóxicos, para los comuneros, no es comercializable en el mercado. Porque es fuente de vida invalorable. Los trillones de dólares que supuestamente se pierden por impedimentos de extracción de minerales y petroleo, no tienen relevancia en la dimensión “metafísica” de las comunidades.
    En un verdadero sistema democrático no se imponen modelos monetarios a comunidades “metafísicas”.
    Un economista debe saber distinguir saber que el PBI (Producto Bruto Interno), al que aportan empresas extractivas, no es un indicador de Desarrollo ni de Bienestar en un pais.
    Un nativo es feliz preservando los bosques y no con millones en una cuenta bancaria.

  28. Soy propietario de un ecoalbergue en Oxapampa. Ubicado en la Selva Central de Perú. A 2000 msnm.
    El subsuelo de mi terreno debe tener minerales pues fue explotado por contener plata hace más de 100 años. Y la conseción del mismo es de un tercero. Tengo título de propiedad (Título formal) de la superficie pero no estoy dispuesto a vender por la sencilla razón de que el valor de mi propiedad no se expresa en el mercado monetario sino en una dimensión “metafísica” donde la moneda no tiene valor de cambio.
    Igualmente la laguna en Conga que se pretende usar como depósito de residuos tóxicos, para los comuneros, no es comercializable en el mercado. Porque es fuente de vida invalorable. Los trillones de dólares que supuestamente se pierden por impedimentos de extracción de minerales y petroleo, no tienen relevancia en la dimensión “metafísica” de las comunidades.
    En un verdadero sistema democrático no se imponen modelos monetarios a comunidades “metafísicas”.
    Un economista debe saber que el PBI (Producto Bruto Interno), al que aportan empresas extractivas, no es un indicador de Desarrollo ni de Bienestar en un pais.
    Un nativo es feliz preservando los bosques y no con millones en una cuenta bancaria.

  29. Basta de engañar a los peruanos se aprovechan porque no leen no se enteran de la realidad.
    A éste señor ni siquiera se le debe tomar en cuenta su opinión porque él no es él al cambiarse de apellido
    Segundo éste señor nunca va a defender a la mayoría de peruanos es un sirviente de los organismos internacionales favorece a las transnacionales y a los grupos de poder.
    Por eso plantea que los que extrae los minerales se les debe dar las tierras, en otras palabras prretende que sean dueños de todo las transnacionales y eso que las transnacionales y grupos de poder no pagan impuestos están exonerados gracias a los corruptos congresistas y gobernantes.

  30. la solucionatica debe ser global y pragmatica, las comunidades deben de participar en el accionariado como accionistas comunitarios del proyecto minero y gozar de los beneficios como utilidades,y tambien responsabilizarse por los pasivos ambientales logicamente que el proyecto minero tambien debe de invertir en el bienestar social de las comunidades, agua potable, luz,educacion, carreteras etc y sobre todo una consenciada distribucion de utilidades ahi debe revisarse dicho tema pues ahora mismo es “arca abierta” para el empresario… finalmente existe un convenio de las naciones unidas el 169 que los ampara a las comunidades campesinas y pueblos originarios en la posecion de las tierras y propiedad del subsuelo como dice el Economista Hernando de soto CONCLUSION: “LA EXPLOTACION MINERA PARTICIPARA ESTADO-COMUNIDAD-EMPRESA” fin del problema

  31. Esto es un paso al desarrollo del pais y su gente. Ojo. Quien garantiza l@ buena negociacion de los emergentes, teniendo en cuenta la falta de conocimiento; sobre mineria, tipo de mineral y valor del mismo. Se tiene que enseñar, capacitar y asesorar.

  32. Soto,no más asi es su apellido.el fue el mentor de este sistema económico lleno de conflictos en principio se instauró el egoísmo ,la corrupción y,la inquina desiguadad a través de los presupuesto para la educación la salud.por qué será que dónde se desarrolla la minería florece la pobreza?cuanto contrbuye (los de abajo)para beneficiarse de los minerales?quie se queda con residuos mineros los de arriba y,los de abajo bien gracias con su riqueza y,un estado corrupto .todo es el poder mediática ,se exige el principio de autoridad sólo para criminalizar las protestas para seguir imponiendo el orden de los de abajo.hay soto.soto.a otro perro con ese hueso.

  33. Nacionalizar como en bolivia o nos falta cojones. Cambiar la constitucion entreguista y cambiar las reglas de juego para que el estado sea socio mayoritario y traiga beneficio a los peruanos no solo a un grupo de comuneros y a empresas transnacionales

  34. Efectivamente nos falta cultura y conocimiento de lo que tenemos y que solamente los que supuesta mente son profesionales son para llenarse los bolsillos y hacerles creer a sus allegados que para eso se estudia.

  35. no sigamos permitiendo la explotacion a las comunidades soluclon hacerlos socios con acciones 50 % – y los explotadores el otro 50 y se acabo el problema
    s.

  36. Los recursos del suelo y subsuelo deben benefivciar a todos los peruanos

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